SAYS YOU: "I cited 1 Timothy 4:10: "For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe." All men are saved from physical death but not from their sins."
ME: 1 Nephi 8:3 ...I have reason to suppose that they, and also many of their seed, will be saved.
Observation: This makes no sense if all are saved.
1 Nephi 13:40 ...the Lamb of God is the Son of the Eternal Father, and the Savior of the world; and that all men must come unto him, or they cannot be saved.
Observation: This answers the perplexity regarding the Savior of all men. By your definition, only those who come unto Jesus will be resurected.
1 Nephi 15:14 ...they shall come to the knowledge of their Redeemer and the very points of his doctrine, that they may know how to come unto him and be saved.
Observation: Do we need to know the true points of doctrine in order to be resurrected?
1 Nephi 22:31 Wherefore, if ye shall be obedient to the commandments, and endure to the end, ye shall be saved at the last day. And thus it is. Amen.
Observation: Must we keep the commandments and endure to be resurrected?
2 Nephi 2:9 Wherefore, he is the firstfruits unto God, inasmuch as he shall make intercession for all the children of men; and they that believe in him shall be saved.
2 Nephi 31:15 And I heard a voice from the Father, saying: Yea, the words of my Beloved are true and faithful. He that endureth to the end, the same shall be saved.
Observation: Do we have to believe and endure to the end in order to be resurrected?
2 Nephi 31:16 ....unless a man shall endure to the end, in following the example of the Son of the living God, he cannot be saved.
Observation: Only those who follow the example of Jesus will be resurrected?
As you can deduce, all will be resurrected but salvation is conditional. I can go on, but I will stop at Nephi's teachings. As observed previously, all will be redeemed from mortal death but salvation is conditional. Finally, in Helaman 12:25
And I would that all men might be saved. But we read that in the great and last day there are some who shall be cast out, yea, who shall be cast off from the presence of the Lord;
Observation: Clearly, not all are saved. Interestingly, the opposite of being save is being cast off the presence of God.
YOU CITED: Genesis 47:24-5
And it shall come to pass in the increase, that ye shall give the fifth part unto Pharaoh, and four parts shall be your own, for seed of the field, and for your food, and for them of your households, and for food for your little ones.
And they said, Thou hast saved our lives: let us find grace in the sight of my lord, and we will be Pharaoh's servants.
ME: So Joseph saved their mortal lives by feeding them. I don't see the revelance to the discussion at hand.
YOU CITED: 2 Peter 2:5 And spared not the old world, but saved Noah the eighth person, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood upon the world of the ungodly;
ME: God saved Noah's family from drowning, mortal death. I don't understand why you shared this.
YOU CITED: 2 Nephi 2:3-4, 8 Wherefore, thy soul shall be blessed, and thou shalt dwell safely with thy brother, Nephi; and thy days shall be spent in the service of thy God. Wherefore, I know that thou art redeemed, because of the righteousness of thy Redeemer; for thou hast beheld that in the fulness of time he cometh to bring salvation unto men.
And thou hast beheld in thy youth his glory; wherefore, thou art blessed even as they unto whom he shall minister in the flesh; for the Spirit is the same, yesterday, today, and forever. And the way is prepared from the fall of man, and salvation is free....Wherefore, how great the importance to make these things known unto the inhabitants of the earth, that they may know that there is no flesh that can dwell in the presence of God, save it be through the merits, and mercy, and grace of the Holy Messiah, who layeth down his life according to the flesh, and taketh it again by the power of the Spirit, that he may bring to pass the resurrection of the dead, being the first that should rise.
ME: Struggling to connect. Jesus comes to bring redemption and salvation is free of charge. That's explained above "the Savior of the world; and that all men must come unto him, or they cannot be saved". However, as you read further into the chapter you cited you find "he shall make intercession for all the children of men; and they that believe in him shall be saved". Further down "And they are free to choose liberty and eternal life, through the great Mediator of all men, or to choose captivity and death, according to the captivity and power of the devil;"
YOU CITED: 3 Nephi 16:20 The Lord hath made bare his holy arm in the eyes of all the nations; and all the ends of the earth shall see the salvation of God.
3 Nephi 20:35 The Father hath made bare his holy arm in the eyes of all the nations; and all the ends of the earth shall see the salvation of the Father; and the Father and I are one.
ME: Abinadi explains this in Mosiah 16:12! "...The time shall come when all shall see the salvation of the Lord; when every nation, kindred, tongue, and people shall see eye to eye and shall confess before God that his judgments are just.
And then shall the wicked be cast out, and they shall have cause to howl, and weep, and wail, and gnash their teeth; and this because they would not hearken unto the voice of the Lord; therefore the Lord redeemeth them not".
Observation: All will see the salvation but not all will experience it in themselves. Seeing the salvation that was rejected will cause the weeping and gnashing of teeth.
Luke 13:28 There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth, when ye shall see Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, and all the prophets, in the kingdom of God, and you yourselves thrust out.
SAYS YOU: "The Kingdom of God is the Celestial Kingdom. Only categories 2 and 3 (in my long Friday answer above) go there. Most Book of Mormon scripture is comparing the Kingdom of God to lesser kingdoms (where God the Father does not dwell)."
ME: Oh boy. I can see where you have to concoct this to make your unscriptural degrees of glory work. But let's say this is true. What is required to enter that Celestial Kingdom. I know what you would say - Eternal Marraige, Priesthoods, Covenants, faith in Joseph Smith and President Nelson, honest tithing, and so forth. But what does the Book of Mormon say are the requirements?
2 Nephi 9:18 But, behold, the righteous, the saints of the Holy One of Israel, they who have believed in the Holy One of Israel, they who have endured the crosses of the world, and despised the shame of it, they shall inherit the [Celestial Kingdom]
2 Nephi 25:13 Behold, they will crucify him; and after he is laid in a sepulchre for the space of three days he shall rise from the dead, with healing in his wings; and all those who shall believe on his name shall be saved in the [Celestial Kingdom].
Jacob 6:4 And how merciful is our God unto us, for he remembereth the house of Israel, both roots and branches; and he stretches forth his hands unto them all the day long; and they are a stiffnecked and a gainsaying people; but as many as will not harden their hearts shall be saved in the [Celestial Kingdom].
Mosiah 15:11 Behold I say unto you, that whosoever has heard the words of the prophets, yea, all the holy prophets who have prophesied concerning the coming of the Lord--I say unto you, that all those who have hearkened unto their words, and believed that the Lord would redeem his people, and have looked forward to that day for a remission of their sins, I say unto you, that these are his seed, or they are the heirs of the [Celestial Kingdom].
3 Nephi 11:33 And whoso believeth in me, and is baptized, the same shall be saved; and they are they who shall inherit the [Celestial Kingdom].
Ether 5:5 And if it so be that they repent and come unto the Father in the name of Jesus, they shall be received into the [Celestial Kingdom].
The Book of Mormon seems to clearly exclude a whole bunch of your requirements. In fact, none of those requirements are found anywhere in the Book of Mormon.
But this one I saved for last. It tells us that you will experience happiness in the Celestial Kingdom, or you will experience endless misery in the Kingdom of the Devil which, apparently, is broken down into degrees called Terrestrial and Telestial (and Perdition(not worth mentioning))! But I thought you teach that those were kingdoms of glory where joy will be beyond comphrehension! Endless misery seems not to be something one would commit suicide to get to. And yet, Jesus will be in one degree of the Kingdom of the Devil and the Holy Ghost will be in another degree of the Kingdom of the Devil.
Alma 41:4 And if their works are evil they shall be restored unto them for evil. Therefore, all things shall be restored to their proper order, every thing to its natural frame--mortality raised to immortality, corruption to incorruption--raised to endless happiness to inherit the [Celestial Kingdom], or to endless misery to inherit the kingdom of the devil, the one on one hand, the other on the other--
So, in the end, Oaks was wrong. God does not save all the work of His hand. Note: This division between the Celestial Kingdom and the Kingdom of the devil takes place after the resurrection and Judgement.
SAYS YOU: "God only presides over the Celestial Kingdom; Jesus presides over the Terrestrial Kingdom, and the Holy Ghost presides over the Telestial Kingdom."
ME: What exactly does this mean? If I remember, the degrees of glory in the Kingdom of the Devil (Terr. and Tel.) have the presence of Jesus and the Holy Ghost respectively. Let's say we untangled the above. Is the Holy Ghost A Holy Being? Is He a Holy and Just God? Then, you telestials, Mormon 9:3. Do ye suppose that ye shall dwell with him under a consciousness of your guilt? Do ye suppose that ye could be happy to dwell with THAT HOLY BEING, when your souls are racked with a consciousness of guilt that ye have ever abused his laws?
4. Behold, I say unto you that ye would be more miserable to dwell with A HOLY AND JUST GOD, under a consciousness of your filthiness before him, than ye would to dwell with the damned souls in hell.
5. For behold, when ye shall be brought to see your nakedness before God, and also the glory of God, and the holiness of Jesus Christ, it will kindle a flame of unquenchable fire upon you.
But let's settle this with some REAL authority...Irenaeus and the apostolic fathers you rely on!
…Christ Jesus, our Lord, and God, and Saviour, and King, according to the will of the invisible Father, ‘every knee should bow, of things in heaven,, and things in earth, and things under the earth, and that every tongue should confess’ to Him, and that He should execute just judgment towards all; that He may send ‘spiritual wickednesses,’ and the angels who transgressed and became apostates, together with the ungodly, and unrighteous, and wicked, and profane among men, into everlasting fire; but may, in the exercise of His grace, confer immortality on the righteous, and holy, and those who have kept His commandments, and have persevered in His love, some from the beginning of their Christian course, and others from the date of their repentance, and may surround them with everlasting glory. (“Against Heresies” 1:10:10)
The penalty increases for those who do not believe the Word of God and despise his coming. . . . [I]t is not merely temporal, but eternal. To whomsoever the Lord shall say, ‘Depart from me, accursed ones, into the everlasting fire,’ they will be damned forever (“Against Heresies” 4:28:2)
Or Brother Clement:
But when they see how those who have sinned and who have denied Jesus by their words or by their deeds are punished with terrible torture in unquenchable fire, the righteous, who have done good, and who have endured tortures and have hated the luxuries of life, will give glory to their God saying, ‘There shall be hope for him that has served God with all his heart!’ (“Second Clement” 17:7)
Views of Theophilus
Give studious attention to the prophetic writings [the Bible] and they will lead you on a clearer path to escape the eternal punishments and to obtain the eternal good things of God. . . . [God] will examine everything and will judge justly, granting recompense to each according to merit. To those who seek immortality by the patient exercise of good works, he will give everlasting life, joy, peace, rest, and all good things. . . . For the unbelievers and for the contemptuous, and for those who do not submit to the truth but assent to iniquity, when they have been involved in adulteries, and fornications, and homosexualities, and avarice, and in lawless idolatries, there will be wrath and indignation, tribulation and anguish; and in the end, such men as these will be detained in everlasting fire (“To Autolycus” 1:14)
Hippolytus
Standing before [Christ’s] judgment, all of them, men, angels, and demons, crying out in one voice, shall say: ‘Just is your judgment!’ And the righteousness of that cry will be apparent in the recompense made to each. To those who have done well, everlasting enjoyment shall be given; while to the lovers of evil shall be given eternal punishment. The unquenchable and unending fire awaits these latter, and a certain fiery worm which does not die and which does not waste the body but continually bursts forth from the body with unceasing pain. No sleep will give them rest; no night will soothe them; no death will deliver them from punishment; no appeal of interceding friends will profit them (“Against the Greeks” 3)
Felix Minucius
I am not ignorant of the fact that many, in the consciousness of what they deserve, would rather hope than actually believe that there is nothing for them after death. They would prefer to be annihilated rather than be restored for punishment… Nor is there either measure nor end to these torments. That clever fire burns the limbs and restores them, wears them away and yet sustains them, just as fiery thunderbolts strike bodies but do not consume them (“Octavius” 34:12–5:3)
Cyprian of Carthage
An ever-burning Gehenna and the punishment of being devoured by living flames will consume the condemned; nor will there be any way in which the tormented can ever have respite or be at an end. Souls along with their bodies will be preserved for suffering in unlimited agonies… The grief at punishment will then be without the fruit of repentance; weeping will be useless, and prayer ineffectual. Too late will they believe in eternal punishment, who would not believe in eternal life (“To Demetrian” 24)
Oh,what and how great will that day be at its coming, beloved brethren, when the Lord shall begin to count up His people, and to recognize the deservings of each one by the inspection of His divine knowledge, to send the guilty to Gehenna, and to set on fire our persecutors with the perpetual burning of a penal fire, but to pay to us the reward of our faith and devotion! (“To Thibaris” 55:10)
SAYS YOU: "The Book of Mormon prophets believed that any reward which was not with God the Father was not eternal life. It also isn’t full salvation."
ME: "Full Salvation"...That's new. Whatever. But if "these things" refered to in Moroni's promis are true (I assume you applied said promise), then we are "raised to endless happiness to inherit the [Celestial Kingdom], or to endless misery to inherit the kingdom of the devil [Terrestrial and Telestial], the one on one hand, the other on the other". If we are to reference the Apostolic Fathers, those "glorious" kingdoms are some pretty rough places, hardly "all of which are more wonderful than we can comprehend".
Conclusion: "Who glorifies the Father, and saves all the works of his hands, except those sons of perdition who deny the Son after the Father has revealed him" is false doctrine of the blackest dye.